On 12/15/2019 at 3:04 AM, Carlos said:

I've never heard a positive opinion on Keystone.  I guess you're the first.  With those resources, YOU should make a list too.

And why so salty and aggressive, it's just a trailer.

 

Salty?????? 

Gee whiz! - I guess "F that Company" (you posted) should mean you gave it -  a GRADE  of  F ??

Moderators must have thought the same.

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From the website being discussed..............

EDITORS NOTE: We do not know the actual methods used in this study. Some of the conclusions reached about why a particular brand was rated poorly jibe with the hundreds of postings we have observed at the Facebook group RV Horror Stories. But, we realize there are two sides to every story, so please keep that in mind.

Think about the source just a bit. The author is such an authority that he uses as his source not just the internet but Facebook, already known for trash and the page chosen is RV Horror Stories, a site that solicits negative reports! And we then debate the validity of his data! The world has some really stupid people and some of them even have web or Facebook pages.

Edited December 15 by Kirk W

  On 12/15/2019 at 3:04 AM, Carlos said:

I've never heard a positive opinion on Keystone.  I guess you're the first.  With those resources, YOU should make a list too.

And why so salty and aggressive, it's just a trailer.

Here  is your first one .I have appositive opinion of Keystone. We  have had two Montana's by Keystone both had some issues that were handled by Keystone  or our dealer  with not a problem.

People need to understand something about any list like this.  First if a manufacturer sells 1000 units and 100 have problems, those 100 people will raise caine, loudly. There is a business principal, "one angry buyer will lose you 20 sales.".

So just because your unit is OK doesn't mean that some people have not ended up with lemons or got a bad dealer.

Also I saw some comments about Thor not being on the list. Well many people buying an RV have no idea that Thor built their unit. They are not members of this or any other online groups. I doubt if 10% of RV users are on any sort of RV list, FB included. Tho many more are on non-RV centric groups. They never heard of Thor or Lipert of any other specialized terms.

Not to defend lists like this, at very best they are narrow snapshots of something. But still are conversation pieces.

Edited December 16 by agesilaus

  On 12/16/2019 at 12:15 AM, agesilaus said:

I saw some comments about Thor not being on the list.

They should be number 1.  I used to look at companies THOR owns but have seen and read about too many problems each of those brands developed after their brands motto was changed to quantity, not quality, ie bottom dollar in their pocket.  This is MY opinion when spending my $$, I'm sure many will disagree with me but it's your $$, not mine, buy what makes you happy.  I don't follow or believe any magazines one sided opinion, I do my own research but I stand by what is my #1 DO NOT BUY list.

Also, note, my research only covers 5th wheel RVs, not motor homes of any size/class.  I have no experience or thoughts on those.

Edited Tuesday at 05:10 AM by NDBirdman

Thor is all over that list.

Another multi-month, multi-problem Keystone nightmare:

Carlos. Man I feel so sorry for you.

I have some friends who had bought a new Heartland Landmark, 2017. 9 months later they traded it for a 2018 Heartland Big Horn, because of all the issues on the Landmark.The couple next to us at the Heartland North American rally in Goshen IN this past June. They bought a 2019 Landmark, 4 days earlier, on the drive from MI to IN part of the kitchen fell down.

We stumbled on a great deal. We have a 2013 Landmark Mesa,40', 3 slides. I don't remember how many times we have been told. DON'T GET RID OF IT, YOU HAVE ONE OF THE LAST OF THE  GOOD ONES. After haring so many stories about the quality  we have decided that we will maintain this Landmark and drive if till we cannot go on the road.

Thor bought Heartland around that time frame. 

It is a same that you buy a rig and you can't even take it the road.

I wish you well, Carlos.

  On 12/17/2019 at 5:04 AM, Brenda&Bill said:

Carlos. Man I feel so sorry for you.

To be sure it's understood correctly, that story is not MINE, it is one I found today on an RV subreddit.  Mine wasn't as bad.  It took many months and lots of wasted time/trips, but at least my rig was mostly usable when not in the shop.